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In The Room
Dylan Byers Dylan Byers

Greetings from Ojai, where I’m on spring break, and welcome back to In the Room. In
tonight’s issue, news and notes on Steve Kornacki’s contract renegotiation and what it tells us about the pre-SpinCo NBC News–MSNBC divorce.

🍸 On the latest edition of The Grill Room, Puck co-founder Jon Kelly and I offer some postgame analysis of our week in Washington, and take stock of the media moment in the nation’s capital—the major players, the business models, and the after-hours schmoozing that lubricates the whole town. Follow The
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Also mentioned in this issue: Mark Zuckerberg,
Larry Ellison, Adam Foroughi, Willow Lindley, Alex Thompson, Willie Geist, Stephanie Ruhle, Joe and Mika, Zaz, Laz, Rebecca Kutler, Jeff Zucker, and many more…

Let’s get started…

  • TikTok ticktock…: With days to go ’til the April 5 deadline for a TikTok deal, Trump is outlining a new plan for “TikTok America” that would give half the company to new U.S. investors, roughly 30 percent to existing U.S. investors, and the remaining 20 percent to Chinese parentco ByteDance, per The Information. This structure appears similar to the one set forth by Larry Ellison’s Oracle and a group of investors, though it’s unclear which investors Trump has in mind.
    Meanwhile, the Journal reported Wednesday that Amazon and AppLovin, the mobile software and A.I. solutions provider run by C.E.O. Adam Foroughi, have also submitted late-stage bids. Good luck to all.
  • Meta narrative: Mark Zuckerberg is lobbying President Trump to agree to a settlement ahead of an F.T.C. trial that could conceivably unwind Meta’s acquisitions of WhatsApp and Instagram,
    and recently made his third visit to the White House since Inauguration Day. The Journal, meanwhile, reported that “some of Trump’s aides have grown frustrated at the company’s lobbying strategy, believing it has been too aggressive.” It’s certainly the most visible attempt from any of the big tech leaders to call in a chit seemingly in exchange for shifting company policies or, in Zuckerberg’s case, settling a lawsuit with the president for $25 million and donating a million
    dollars to his inauguration.
  • A Vogue defection: Sarah Ball, the WSJ. Magazine E.I.C., has poached Vogue market editor Willow Lindley to serve as style director. As my partner Lauren Sherman noted in Line Sheet, defections from Vogue don’t happen
    often. “But WSJ. offered something better,” Lauren wrote, “the opportunity to jump up the org chart, rather than waiting a decade or more for her turn at Vogue. … Lindley has the advertiser relationships once held by Elisa Lipsky-Karasz at WSJ., and she’s presumably a tad cheaper.”
  • And finally…: Congrats to Alex Thompson on winning this year’s Aldo Beckman Award for overall excellence in
    White House coverage, which is doled out by the WHCA. I usually don’t put much stock in awards, but this one’s notable for two reasons. First, Thompson deserves credit for covering the concerns about Biden’s age and mental acuity early and often, even when it was unpopular to do so. And second, this now marks the third time in the last four years that an Axios reporter has won the prize (the others were Jonathan Swan and Barak
    Ravid
    ). Probably something to that…

And now, the main event…

An MSNBC-NBC Custody Battle

An MSNBC-NBC Custody Battle

Among the knock-on effects of Comcast spinning out its lesser cable darlings are a
series of impending beefs, conflicts, and tough choices for MSNBC and NBC News. Some talent and executives will move up, while others will realize there’s not room for everyone at the cool kids’ table.

Dylan Byers Dylan Byers

This week, NBC News announced that its charmingly dorky, hypercaffeinated, khaki-clad data
analytics expert Steve Kornacki had signed a new deal with the network’s news and sports divisions—a re-up that was most notable for the role it omitted. While Kornacki will continue to crunch election night polling data, NFL spreads, and Kentucky Derby odds for the broadcast network and the Peacock streaming service, he will no longer be offering his talents to MSNBC, which Comcast is spinning out into the wilderness along with almost all of its other cable channels
under the working title SpinCo. It was especially notable since Kornacki had come into the NBCU empire via MSNBC, in 2012, and only added NBC News to his C.V. five years later.

As I’ve long foreshadowed, the great NBCU cable spinout is catalyzing a number of contract renegotiations to determine the fate of the news division’s cross-channel talent—all the folks who worked for either NBC News or MSNBC, or both, but became reliable fixtures across platforms. Think Willie
Geist
, a Morning Joe co-host who also anchors NBC’s Sunday Today, and often sits in on the flagship Today broadcast, or Stephanie Ruhle, the tireless post-primetime MSNBC host who rose early for her own Today segments, with presumably no more than four hours’ sleep in the interim.

The fate of these folks is really neither here nor there—presumably, if Willie wanted to keep a seat at Joe and
Mika’s roundtable, the powers that be could work out an Anderson Cooper–style dual-network deal that kept him on both channels (but, does he?); Ruhle, meanwhile, has already re-upped with MSNBC. Still, the Kornacki move is illustrative of a broader reality: The SpinCo breakup is setting these networks and their employees on alternate courses toward two radically different futures, which gives the current moment an air of Calvinist predestination—the
existential cafeteria crisis where you learn whether or not there’s a seat for you at the cool kids’ table. (There isn’t really a cool kids’ table anymore in this sector, but whatever.)

The
Kornacki Glow-Up

From the talent’s perspective, the distinction can be rather stark. NBCUniversal is a veritable
symphony of well-financed and sleekly produced enterprises that will furnish Kornacki with five-star treatment at Rockefeller Plaza for his appearances before millions, then whisk him away to the Super Bowl in San Francisco and the Winter Olympics in Milan. In recent years, MSNBC contributors sometimes had to pay their own Uber fare to 400 North Cap while applying their own powder. Sad, but justifiable when you’re averaging less than 600,000 viewers in total day and less than 60,000 in the
demo.

Of course, Brian Roberts’ strategic breakup of the NBCU linear assets portended the awkward dynamics of this split. While casting the rest of the cable portfolio out under the guidance of Mark Lazarus, he kept Bravo in the NBC portfolio because it was a core asset for Peacock, with I.P. like Real Housewives and Below Deck regularly among the top 10 most watched shows on the streaming service. Needless to say, the same couldn’t be
said for Syfy’s The Ark or Oxygen’s Prosecuting Evil (be honest, are you familiar with either?). In essence, Kornacki drew the Bravo card; his talents at “the big board” is enough of a value add—on election nights, the Today show, or the SNF pregame—to secure him a seat on the last lifeboat off the Titanic.

And what of those left behind? To their credit, they’re all doing a wonderful job of keeping the music going. The message from Laz and the
front office promises the dawn of a well-capitalized, debt-free, independent media entity that can use its profits to pursue new growth opportunities and acquire other businesses and channels. At MSNBC, in particular, newly appointed chief Rebecca Kutler—a smart and competitive leader, which is a rare species in TV news these days—is infusing the liberal network with a startup mentality: new leadership, new bureaus, new primetime lineup, new talent, and a hundred new job
postings. “I actually think building a news organization from scratch is a really fun idea in this day and age because, first of all, there’re a lot of good people available, and you can craft a pretty good news organization for a pretty reasonable amount of money,” former CNN president and onetime NBCU C.E.O. Jeff Zucker told New York’s Charlotte Klein, who suggested that MSNBC’s post-NBC future might actually be “kind of bright.”

Nearer, my
God, to thee
. Yes, SpinCo will inevitably use debt or private equity to finance the acquisition of other subprime media assets, like AMC or some of the underloved Turner networks that David Zaslav himself set aside in an internal restructuring (likely presaging WBD’s own future SpinCo). Meanwhile, MSNBC will enjoy the thrill of standing up new shows and bureaus and, in a best-case scenario, reversing some pretty substantive post-election losses in the demo. If
those are your metrics for success, and you can keep the blinders on, then yes, MSNBC could be an exciting place to work for the next two to three years. Still, as I’ve noted before, it’s disingenuous for management to suggest to MSNBC employees that their network is in a stronger position after its uncoupling from a $140 billion conglomerate—and that they’re not on the path toward a much, much smaller future, and an exit to private equity by the end of the decade.

Of
course, one irony about the news media is that the probing and inquisitive journalists who populate it very often don’t understand all that much about the economics of their own business. Presumably, a numbers guy like Kornacki does.

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